In this episode, Rishi Gulati is in conversation with Dr Hansong Li about the intellectual history of the Indo-Pacific, a concept that has gained much currency in recent times. Hansong Li is a political theorist and historian based at Harvard University and the Berlin-Potsdam Research Group - "International Rule of Law - Rise or Decline?". Dr Li has a BA from the University of Chicago, M.Phil from the University of Cambridge and did his PhD at Harvard. The conversation touches on the origins of the notion of the Indo-Pacific discussing the role of Karl Haushofer, as well as a focus on the modern incarnation of the term. The discussion also considers initiatives such as China’s Belt and Road Initiative, as well as the Quad which consists of the US, India, Japan and Australia.